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		<title>By: Jay Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 06:06:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh . . . so . . . do you actually &lt;i&gt;have&lt;/i&gt; a supply of pike poles handy? :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh . . . so . . . do you actually <i>have</i> a supply of pike poles handy? <img src='http://news-political.com/wp-content/plugins/smilies-themer/Julianus/20x20-big_smile.png' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: foutsc</title>
		<link>http://news-political.com/2009/08/29/a-libertarians-lament/comment-page-1/#comment-1009</link>
		<dc:creator>foutsc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Sep 2009 02:07:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have to agree with Soo Do-Nim viz third parties.  Disgruntled conservatives breaking with the GOP and going third party merely guarantees Democratic dominance.  Why do to ourselves what third-world dictators strive to do to their opposition?

My solution?  A libertarian takeover of the GOP.  Throw out the country clubbers and the dem-lites!  Mount their heads on pike poles in front of the building as a warning to others!

Nevermind the last sentence...  Must have been my Mongol blood rising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree with Soo Do-Nim viz third parties.  Disgruntled conservatives breaking with the GOP and going third party merely guarantees Democratic dominance.  Why do to ourselves what third-world dictators strive to do to their opposition?</p>
<p>My solution?  A libertarian takeover of the GOP.  Throw out the country clubbers and the dem-lites!  Mount their heads on pike poles in front of the building as a warning to others!</p>
<p>Nevermind the last sentence&#8230;  Must have been my Mongol blood rising.</p>
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		<title>By: Soo Do-Nim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soo Do-Nim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Aug 2009 06:11:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that&#039;s well put, Jay. Also, my wife reminded me that Beck has never had Mark Levin on his show. Even though his book Liberty and Tyranny is all about countering statism, he also very much believes that the Republican party is the party to fix and to support. He also needles Beck in secret from his radio show, and Beck is careful to never once mention Levin&#039;s book even as it was #1 for 12 straight weeks. Strange. 

As a Republican I should push to throw out the fence straddlers, and RINOs, but it&#039;s understandable why some feel that&#039;s futile. I don&#039;t like the idea of a divided conservative constituency versus a united Democrat party though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that&#8217;s well put, Jay. Also, my wife reminded me that Beck has never had Mark Levin on his show. Even though his book Liberty and Tyranny is all about countering statism, he also very much believes that the Republican party is the party to fix and to support. He also needles Beck in secret from his radio show, and Beck is careful to never once mention Levin&#8217;s book even as it was #1 for 12 straight weeks. Strange. </p>
<p>As a Republican I should push to throw out the fence straddlers, and RINOs, but it&#8217;s understandable why some feel that&#8217;s futile. I don&#8217;t like the idea of a divided conservative constituency versus a united Democrat party though.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Henderson</title>
		<link>http://news-political.com/2009/08/29/a-libertarians-lament/comment-page-1/#comment-977</link>
		<dc:creator>Jay Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:48:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-976&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Soo Do-Nim&lt;/a&gt; - I rarely get to watch Beck&#039;s program, owing to my work and medical schedules, but from what I have seen/heard, I agree with his point, which is that mainline Democrats and mainline Republicans are statist-oriented.  One needn&#039;t be a liberal Democrat to be a statist; George Bush was clearly in the statist camp.  I disagree with the compulsion to vote for a major party candidate - - it&#039;s part of the statist trap, and if enough of us jump ship and toss away our votes at the same time, a third party candidate can win an election.  On the other hand, I agree that there should be libertarian Democrats and libertarian Republicans and libertarian independents.  Contrary to the usual charges leveled against it, libertarianism does not provide a dogma; rather it provides a set of guidelines for evaluating public issues.  Libertarians can and do disagree about specific issues, and we come in various shades of blue, red, and purple.  On specific issues, I find myself agreeing with conservative Republicans about 60 percent the time, liberal Democrats about 15 percent of the time, and with neither about 25 percent of the time.  Where libertarians are consistent is on the question of where the decisions should be made (at the Federal level only when necessary; at the state level when appropriate, and only in a manner consistent with maximization of individual liberty).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-976' rel="nofollow">@Soo Do-Nim</a> &#8211; I rarely get to watch Beck&#8217;s program, owing to my work and medical schedules, but from what I have seen/heard, I agree with his point, which is that mainline Democrats and mainline Republicans are statist-oriented.  One needn&#8217;t be a liberal Democrat to be a statist; George Bush was clearly in the statist camp.  I disagree with the compulsion to vote for a major party candidate &#8211; - it&#8217;s part of the statist trap, and if enough of us jump ship and toss away our votes at the same time, a third party candidate can win an election.  On the other hand, I agree that there should be libertarian Democrats and libertarian Republicans and libertarian independents.  Contrary to the usual charges leveled against it, libertarianism does not provide a dogma; rather it provides a set of guidelines for evaluating public issues.  Libertarians can and do disagree about specific issues, and we come in various shades of blue, red, and purple.  On specific issues, I find myself agreeing with conservative Republicans about 60 percent the time, liberal Democrats about 15 percent of the time, and with neither about 25 percent of the time.  Where libertarians are consistent is on the question of where the decisions should be made (at the Federal level only when necessary; at the state level when appropriate, and only in a manner consistent with maximization of individual liberty).</p>
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		<title>By: Soo Do-Nim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Soo Do-Nim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 18:25:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarians are the Democrats&#039; best hope for the near future... elections in 2010 and 2012. Because as much as Glenn Beck and others want to believe that the L party will receive an influx of an equal number of frustrated Democrats and Republicans, I believe a largely conservative 3rd party will mostly siphon Republicans.

Glenn works very hard on his show to make sure his mostly Republican guests subscribe to his &quot;spread the blame equally&quot; viewpoint. He tried perhaps 4 or 5 different times to interrupt Michelle Malkin on his show Thursday(?) as she had the audacity to interject her true opinion that the radical political element being brought to the full light of day in the Obama administration was closely tied to the Democratic party and not the Republican. He knew where she was going with the statement and tried to block her but she plowed forward. And he managed to find a prominent &quot;liberal Democrat&quot; (Pat Caddell) who is willing to go anti-Obama with him, to give the impression that Democrats and Republicans can be equally dissatisfied with Washington. If only.

He might have a guest such as Charles Payne or David Buckner or Amity Shlaes or Jonah Goldberg, Mark Levin, on and on. Rush Limbaugh. I&#039;m sorry but I don&#039;t think any of these people are liberal Democrats. And yet let&#039;s be very clear: Democrats and Republicans are &quot;equally responsible.&quot; &quot;I just want to be very clear about this&quot; he&#039;ll break to say in an aside, &quot;I was just as against Bush&quot; blah blah.

I think Beck has done a great job of bringing some things to light about Obamacare, and his quasi-administration of czars. As long as he stays on topic it&#039;s my favorite show. But I&#039;m not into agreeing with the philosophy of jumping ship and tossing my vote away on a Ron Paul to make a point. The Democrats are very much in power and very much united (although it&#039;s waning slightly). Beck may believe that the tea parties are neither Republican or Democrat, but c&#039;mon. Everybody knows. They&#039;re 95% NOT liberal Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarians are the Democrats&#8217; best hope for the near future&#8230; elections in 2010 and 2012. Because as much as Glenn Beck and others want to believe that the L party will receive an influx of an equal number of frustrated Democrats and Republicans, I believe a largely conservative 3rd party will mostly siphon Republicans.</p>
<p>Glenn works very hard on his show to make sure his mostly Republican guests subscribe to his &#8220;spread the blame equally&#8221; viewpoint. He tried perhaps 4 or 5 different times to interrupt Michelle Malkin on his show Thursday(?) as she had the audacity to interject her true opinion that the radical political element being brought to the full light of day in the Obama administration was closely tied to the Democratic party and not the Republican. He knew where she was going with the statement and tried to block her but she plowed forward. And he managed to find a prominent &#8220;liberal Democrat&#8221; (Pat Caddell) who is willing to go anti-Obama with him, to give the impression that Democrats and Republicans can be equally dissatisfied with Washington. If only.</p>
<p>He might have a guest such as Charles Payne or David Buckner or Amity Shlaes or Jonah Goldberg, Mark Levin, on and on. Rush Limbaugh. I&#8217;m sorry but I don&#8217;t think any of these people are liberal Democrats. And yet let&#8217;s be very clear: Democrats and Republicans are &#8220;equally responsible.&#8221; &#8220;I just want to be very clear about this&#8221; he&#8217;ll break to say in an aside, &#8220;I was just as against Bush&#8221; blah blah.</p>
<p>I think Beck has done a great job of bringing some things to light about Obamacare, and his quasi-administration of czars. As long as he stays on topic it&#8217;s my favorite show. But I&#8217;m not into agreeing with the philosophy of jumping ship and tossing my vote away on a Ron Paul to make a point. The Democrats are very much in power and very much united (although it&#8217;s waning slightly). Beck may believe that the tea parties are neither Republican or Democrat, but c&#8217;mon. Everybody knows. They&#8217;re 95% NOT liberal Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:46:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-973&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@Sara&lt;/a&gt; - Either you&#039;re pulling my leg, or you are so totally off base that I don&#039;t even know where to begin. &lt;i&gt;Libertarians are strangers to the culture of freedom and committed to the culture of communism.&lt;/i&gt; That&#039;s a joke, right? You&#039;re trying to be funny? Otherwise . . . have a nice day with your illusions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-973' rel="nofollow">@Sara</a> &#8211; Either you&#8217;re pulling my leg, or you are so totally off base that I don&#8217;t even know where to begin. <i>Libertarians are strangers to the culture of freedom and committed to the culture of communism.</i> That&#8217;s a joke, right? You&#8217;re trying to be funny? Otherwise . . . have a nice day with your illusions.</p>
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		<title>By: Jay Henderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jay Henderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 16:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&#039;#comment-972&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;@foutsc&lt;/a&gt; - The foremost factor that determines how people vote is family.  If your parents are Republicans, you are very likely to vote Republican.  My parents were both Democrats, so I was a Democrat. It is almost as if we&#039;re trapped by family traditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href='#comment-972' rel="nofollow">@foutsc</a> &#8211; The foremost factor that determines how people vote is family.  If your parents are Republicans, you are very likely to vote Republican.  My parents were both Democrats, so I was a Democrat. It is almost as if we&#8217;re trapped by family traditions.</p>
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		<title>By: Sara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:47:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Libertarians have a problem with their social vision which does not match their economic vision.  They have embraced the far left&#039;s political correctness culturally while embracing traditional constitutional governance.  

Political correctness is devoid of tolerance for leftist social &quot;enemies&quot; and it is devoid of the human inspiration and culture that serves a free society.  Constitutional freedom is requires both social freedom and economic freedom.  Political correctness is the opposite of the culture that serves constitutional freedom.  Individual freedom does not mean every man out for himself in life without love and ethics; it is only against the government being used as a charity. Libertarians are strangers to the culture of freedom and committed to the culture of communism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Libertarians have a problem with their social vision which does not match their economic vision.  They have embraced the far left&#8217;s political correctness culturally while embracing traditional constitutional governance.  </p>
<p>Political correctness is devoid of tolerance for leftist social &#8220;enemies&#8221; and it is devoid of the human inspiration and culture that serves a free society.  Constitutional freedom is requires both social freedom and economic freedom.  Political correctness is the opposite of the culture that serves constitutional freedom.  Individual freedom does not mean every man out for himself in life without love and ethics; it is only against the government being used as a charity. Libertarians are strangers to the culture of freedom and committed to the culture of communism.</p>
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		<title>By: foutsc</title>
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		<dc:creator>foutsc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Aug 2009 14:16:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting article.  I don&#039;t know what we can do about where we are right now.  Glen Beck would say that both parties are towards the &quot;Tyranny&quot; end of the Liberty-Tyranny spectrum.  Democrat, Republican...  Pick your poison.

I also like how you identified the &quot;statist trap:&quot;  A candidate with no government solution isn&#039;t even in the game.

I also think libertarians suffer a lack of charismatic personalities.  Social scientists will tell you that people vote more on emotion than logic, sad but probably true.  

And libertarianism seems cold and sterile.  A young guy on a libertarian blog related how his girlfriend cried when he told her people have no &quot;right&quot; to food.  It&#039;s true, but it sounds bad when just thrown out there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting article.  I don&#8217;t know what we can do about where we are right now.  Glen Beck would say that both parties are towards the &#8220;Tyranny&#8221; end of the Liberty-Tyranny spectrum.  Democrat, Republican&#8230;  Pick your poison.</p>
<p>I also like how you identified the &#8220;statist trap:&#8221;  A candidate with no government solution isn&#8217;t even in the game.</p>
<p>I also think libertarians suffer a lack of charismatic personalities.  Social scientists will tell you that people vote more on emotion than logic, sad but probably true.  </p>
<p>And libertarianism seems cold and sterile.  A young guy on a libertarian blog related how his girlfriend cried when he told her people have no &#8220;right&#8221; to food.  It&#8217;s true, but it sounds bad when just thrown out there.</p>
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