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Author: tbascom              Category: Blog, Opinion

Here I Stand

About ten days ago my mother-in-law received a letter from the Republican Party’s national chairman, Michael Steele, alerting her that she had been selected as an official representative of the Party for the state of Vermont. All they were asking, in return for the honor, was a small donation to the GOP. I found that quite amusing because she is a registered Independent, quite liberal, and a passionate supporter of Barak Obama. Her reaction was pricelessly funny.

However, a couple of days ago I received a similar letter. We live at the same address in Vermont, but I am a registered Republican. My letter let me know I had been selected to be a special representative for the state of Maryland. Odd: I have never lived in Maryland, and the only time I recall spending any time in that state was about 30 years ago when my wife and I camped on the Maryland shore for a week while our car’s radiator was repaired.

I didn’t find the letters so amusing after the second arrived, because the pattern worried me. I work with modern technology on a regular basis. Frankly, it’s a “second language” for me – though my children are “native speakers” – and I need a lot of help. As a result I am quite manic about presenting myself correctly and using technology accurately. Of course I make mistakes, and I am not surprised that the GOP made an error in identifying my mother-in-law. Nor am I surprised they erred in identifying my state (though I cannot fathom how they got my name correct but my state wrong in the letter, yet mailed it to the correct Vermont address). Mistakes happen; especially when you are not fluent in a new language. But when both correspondences to our address were so blatantly erroneous, it stopped being a laughing, learning matter. It begins to look like a problem.

The State of the GOP

These letters make the GOP look like they are playing a “catch up” game with the Democrat Party, and it doesn’t look good. It’s rather like watching mainline Protestant churches trying to ape the sophisticated use by evangelical churches of the technology that has become second-nature to young adults and their forward-looking elders. As someone who writes a blog devoted to helping mainline Protestant churches recognize how behind the curve they have allowed themselves to become, and to find ways to address their growing irrelevance, what I see is the Republican Party attempting and failing to use today’s technology in an effort to look “modern” to the increasingly tech-savvy public. Unfortunately, in my household the GOP’s weak adaptation has made it look stodgy and past-oriented, as well as desperate. (Don’t they have any staff or volunteers under the age of 45?)

This point was also made recently on PJTV, by Bill Whittle in his piece, “The Power and Danger of Iconography.” He shows how effective the Democrats have become at employing updated images and distribution methods to “brand” their party and President; and how poor the Republicans have been at the same task. Indeed, he suggests that the GOP doesn’t even understand the issues involved. I agree: that is how it seems.

In general, the GOP seems to be out of step on two fronts, despite their recent electoral successes. Firstly, they seem out of step with the general public, which is rapidly moving toward sophisticated social networking means of sharing information, motivating others, and communicating. Sarah Palin appears to be an exception to this largely-true claim. She has been very successful at responding to the Obama Administration and Democrat-controlled Congress through her Facebook page and frequent tweets. In the process, she has been successfully by-passing her derogatory portrayal in the mainstream media and the wish of GOP hacks to manage her. Her cache has been growing because of her effective use of Internet technology, while the GOP can’t get even one out of two snail mail correspondences to my home right.

The GOP also seems to be out of step with the “conservative” movement in the United States. I put conservative in quote marks because the term is being misused in common speech as a synonym for “right wing” and, now, for “tea partiers.” But, the Tea Party movement is not really conservative – at least, not in the classical sense of the term. Originally, the conservatives were those who favored the statism of kings over the autonomy of individual citizens. And in that sense, the Tea Party movement is classically liberal. It celebrates the liberal, historically-revolutionary values the Republican Party used to represent: the right of each individual to pursue life, liberty and happiness without either the interference of the heavy hand of government or the overarching shadow of bureaucracy. (The modern Democrat Party, seeking to reestablish a governing authority at the expense of individual liberty, is actually the conservative, right-wing, counter-revolutionary movement. Their agenda seeks to turn back the clock on the revolutionary freedom vouchsafed in our Constitution.)

The Tea Party Movement and the American Revolution

The Tea Party movement is not inherently aligned with the Republican Party. The Republican Party may be preferred by most Tea Party sympathizers, but that’s only because Republicans are less inclined to grow the power and reach of government than are Democrats. However, that’s a relative thing, and Tea Party people are looking for an absolute change in direction.

Tea Party sympathizers are registered Republicans, Democrats and Independents, as well as non-registered concerned citizens. We will vote for candidates of any party if they are committed to smaller government, to reduced spending, to the repeal of most entitlements, to the enhancement of individual freedoms, to making significant reductions in the regulations that limit entrepreneurialism, and to restoring a deep and abiding respect for the radical nature of our founding documents.

We Tea Party sympathizers are the true radicals. We understand how radical the American Revolution was. Our Constitution recognizes that the fundamental choice in forms of government is between a form in which elites direct the lives and fortunes of the masses, and a form that liberates the masses as individuals, not as a class, to pursue whatever makes them individually happy. And it enshrines the second. As such, it embraces a fundamentally Christian form of government – not because it establishes Christianity, or outlaws other faiths, but because it is the only form of government that believes the Protestant Christian doctrine of the right and God-given authority of the individual to make decisions of conscience for him- or herself, guided only by a personal sense of moral accountability to God.

Christianity does not believe that individuals are perfected by living in a perfect community, but the opposite: that redeemed individuals influence their communities toward greater holiness. That is why Christianity is so distinctly individualistic: no human construct has the right, or the ability, to stand between an individual conscience and Jesus Christ. But each person has the right and the responsibility to work out his or her own relationship with God, and to live into that relationship by the conduct of daily life. In the process, community is formed and the society is improved.

The notion that some few persons – or even a plurality of citizens in agreement – can determine what is the “right” or “just” way for all citizens to live is distinctly unChristian. And as such, it is immoral and fraudulent. Collectivist and statist movements are both anti-Christian and un-American. They run against the commitments of individual discipleship to Jesus Christ and to the principles of the U.S. Constitution.

The American Constitution does not care whether the elitists call themselves kings, parliaments, dictators, religious leaders, or elected representatives; any time the government moves toward limiting individual freedom in order to make society “better,” according to some humanly-constructed theory of what is “good” for people, the community, or the world, the U.S. Constitution is contravened. People who pursue those statist or collectivist agendas, however well-meaning they may be as compassionate persons, are un-American. They fail the test of patriotism.

Tea Party sympathizers are not, of course, the only patriots. Not all patriots have joined the movement. However, the Tea Party movement is the home of those who want to restore the founding principles, commitments and perspectives; it is the home of true patriots. And therefore, it is the home of the new American Revolution. As Sarah Palin said in her speech to the Tennessee meeting, “the Tea Party movement is the future of politics in America.”

Radical Constitutionality

The Republican Party needs to understand that though I have been invited by mail and phone to contribute to the Party’s 2010 and 2012 agenda to “take back the Congress and the White House,” I will not support the Republican Party until I see evidence that the Party has come home to the principles of the U.S. Constitution.

I will support individual Republicans whom I believe have the same fundamental loyalty to the radical, classically liberal ideals of individual freedom and restricted government that I have and that the Tea Party espouses. But I will also support Democrats and Independents who exhibit those commitments. The days of me falling in line behind the Republican candidates because Republicans are the lesser evil are over. The party-approved candidacy of John McCain put an end to that. (Yes, I am one of those who only voted Republican because Palin was on the ticket. Without her, I would have sat out the election.) Now, I am looking for those individual candidates who will put the Constitution above their venal interests, and who will go to Washington to fight the long, drawn-out battle to restore the vision of the Founders, and the responsibility and opportunity of the individual.

The wise class – pundits and prognosticators (including Rush Limbaugh) – warn that my approach will lead to lost elections and a perpetuation of the Democrat/Socialist rule in Washington. I think that’s only half-right.

Yes, such a course might fracture the Republican Party. But the truth is that if McCain had been elected we would be traveling down the same road, for the most part – only more slowly. Obama turned up the heat so we noticed we were being cooked, and that allowed us to jump out of the pot. Simply returning Republicans to power does not guarantee a change in direction.

I do not yet see a serious commitment to reversing course by the GOP. I see a Democrat President and Congressional leadership that are committed to pursuing their anti-American agenda even if that means they will not be re-elected. They are willing to throw in their lives and their fortunes to achieve their vision for a statist America. But I do not see a Republican Presidential candidate prepared to throw in life and fortune to restore the Constitutional limits on government; nor do I see a similar level of commitment among existing Republican senators and congressional members. Mostly, I see opportunism – and I am sick of opportunists.

I know that sometimes mainline Protestant churches become so fossilized that they cannot be remade. In those cases, church change leaders are encouraged to start a new congregation in the same building. In time, the old congregation will fade away, but by then the new congregation will have grown large and vital enough to take over the structure. Perhaps the Tea Party movement is the new congregation, destined to take over the structure of the Republican Party. That’s certainly the model I am holding out. But if the old GOP remains too potent for too long, I’ll be just as happy to migrate with the movement to a new house and to compete directly with both the Republican and Democrat parties for members and leadership power.

I would rather go down standing on my two feet and fighting for the American Revolution than fade away on my knees, accepting a slow betrayal by Republican political hacks simply because they are willing to draw out the death of America that the current Democrats want to end in a quick coup de grace.

No more living a half-life in this grey twilight of the Founders’ vision. I am not interested in either the quick death offered by Democrat progressives or the slow death offered by Republican progressives.  I want the freedom, responsibility and opportunity anchored in the Christian vision of humanity and the Protestant notion of morality, and encoded in the U.S. Constitution. That’s worth fighting for; that’s worth my life and fortune. Anything less is not worth defending. Or voting for.

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  1. Excellent article, as always. Being a libertarian-leaning ex-Democrat, I have come to view the two-party dominance with great suspicion – - but the voting citizenry in general seems unwilling to go for a third party. Hard to predict where the Tea Party phenomenon is headed, but I doubt that it can subsume the Republican establishment and perhaps it would be best served by not trying to be a third party and instead endorsing and supporting like-minded candidates of any political party.

    • tbascom says:

      Yeah, Jay, I think sometime over the last month or so I’ve slipped just over the line and into the independent-libertarian camp. I’m probably a neo-something-or-other, since I want to revisit the cultural perspectives and political values of 1776 in light of today’s issues and all that the country has been through since the Revolution. But I’m leaning more and more toward the notion that I need to just butt out of my neighbor’s life, and the government needs to butt out of my life. Individual autonomy, the pursuit of enlightened self-interest (“enlightened” as in, reflective of Enlightenment perspectives), and hamstrung government are the keys to a revival of the American Dream, I think.

      It is too early to do more than speculate about a third party. But either the Republicans gets hip to the passions of the tea party folk or momentum for a third party will develop. And I think a Tea Party party would pull from both Democrat and Republican party membership rolls, as well as a huge portion of the Independent movement.

      Not today, but it could be down the road just a little bit…

  2. Tom Degan says:

    I’m sorry, but if Sarah Palin is the candidate for president three years from now, It is going to make my life a whole hell of a lot easier. If she wins it will make my life a dream come true. As a blogger, I will never again have to touch my computer keyboard. These things will write themselves.

    I know this sounds exceedingly selfish on my part and I am embarrassed to say it in so public a forum. I hope she never goes away. For the self-described political satirist, she is the gift that keeps giving and giving and giving….

    I’m so ashamed.

    http://www.tomdegan.blogspot.com

    Tom Degan
    Goshen NY

    • If Sarah Palin got in office that dingy woman would set woman’s rights back 50 years…. I can’t believe anyone with a sense of decency would vote for such a goof ball, she is no better educated than Bush and he always sounded like a fool….Go ahead vote for her in 2009, when she planned to run, oops its 2010 don’t ya know.

      • NEPAConservative says:

        If Sarah Palin got in office that dingy woman would set woman’s rights back 50 years? HOW? WHAT RIGHTS ARE YOU REFERRING TO?

      • tbascom says:

        Sonya, your ignorance is showing. Bush was very well educated. He preferred to read rather than watch TV, and his reading list was filled with historical analyses and political biographies. His speech issues had more to do with dyslexia than stupidity. Thanks for your compassionate, liberal perceptiveness. We appreciate your caring nature.

        Palin is not stupid either. Since she has been out from under the thumb of the McCain campaign she has been acquitting herself quite well – without the help of a teleprompter, by the way.

        Your “bright” hero, Obama, speaking without a teleprompter, noted that he had campaigned in 57 of the U.S. states and had only 1 more to visit to cover them all. Hmm. Who’s the idiot? (Maybe that’s why he doesn’t want us to see his college transcripts and thesis.) Obama is like a good mainstream media newscaster: he looks good, and can read a prepared script with conviction, but he has a very limited understanding of the real world, and a demonstrated inability to think on his feet.

    • tbascom says:

      Tom, we’ll try to make your day.

  3. America the ignorant
    To listen to their lies
    You took 8 years of Bushs’ crap
    And did it with closed eyes
    You let him rip our country up
    With blatant lies and greed
    Across the nation he did fail
    He stripped our dignity

    America the ignorant
    Obama’s just begun
    It hasn’t even been a year
    You’ve got him on the run
    How can he clean up all the mess
    It took 8 years to make
    Foreclosures soared and jobs were lost
    While Bush was eating cake

    America the ignorant
    Rush Limbaugh just shut-up
    Its pompous asses just like you
    That helped the rich corrupt
    The rich got all, the poor got none
    You sat with pockets wide
    And when you saw your vain run out
    You lashed out while you cried

    America the ignorant
    Don’t listen to those creeps
    No one can work the miracle
    You want in so few weeks
    Give our President the time he needs
    To straighten out the mess
    Health care reform among the list
    He’s trying to do his best

    America the ignorant
    Let’s show the world some class
    And back the man we put in charge
    Get your heads out of your ass
    After all the damage Bush has done
    You’d think a lesson learned
    Please give Obama the same 8 years
    To see if our greatness is returned

    By Sonya McDougal 9/20/2009

    • NEPAConservative says:

      Obama’s just begun, It hasn’t even been a year, You’ve got him on the run

      YEAH BUT HIS FLUNKY PROGRESSIVES IN CONGRESS HAVE BEEN IN CHARGE SINCE 2006. THEY MAKE THE LAWS, THEY SPEND THE MONEY BUT YOU KEEP BLAMING BUSH SILLY…DUH. :aie:

    • NEPAConservative says:

      America the ignorant and you are a fine example how ignorant we are Sonya. :aie:

    • tbascom says:

      Sonya doesn’t grasp this simple notion: we don’t want Obama to succeed. She doesn’t know anything about political philosophy, or the difference between democracy and statism. Consequently, she cannot see the difference in political patterns of behavior between Bush and Obama. She cannot place either leader in his political tradition, or draw conclusions from that placement about what they envision. Her “wisdom” comes from watching the mainstream media and from her unreasoned faith in “hopey changey” rhetoric.

      Sonya: there is no reason for any native-born American to do less than fulfill their dreams, even in this economy. In the 1970s I watched a refugee Vietnamese family come to the U.S. with no money, settle into Portland, Maine, get low-end jobs cleaning classrooms at the University of Maine, save their money, and three years later, buy an ice cream store on Main Street. They came with two children under 12 years old, and with an unrelated teenage orphan boy in tow.

      Three years, Sonya. Facing post-war anti-Vietnamese prejudice, without college degrees that the U.S. would recognize, and starting with no money. If they can do it there is no reason you or anyone else can’t. Except for what’s in your own mind, limiting your achievement.

      It’s not the system that needs to be changed; it’s your poisoned and poisonous attitude.

  4. clay barham says:

    The original, 19th century Democrats were the libertarians of that century, as cited in The Changing Face of Democrats on Amazon and claysamerica.com. They followed Jefferson and Madison, not Rousseau and Marx, as is the case today. The GOP, which traces itself back to such nationalists as Hamilton, Clay, Lincoln, Teddy Roosevelt up to John McCain would be the real home for liberals today if it weren’t for Reagan and those who follow his example today. Claysamerica.com

    • tbascom says:

      That the GOP would be the real home of liberals today if it weren’t for Reagan and those who followed them is not quite right. Reagan was in the tradition of libertarianism – smaller government, less regulation, more “live and let live.” And that “libertarian” viewpoint was at least akin to the “liberal” perspective of our founders.

      The point to keep in mind: despite differences, our founders were fundamentally on the side of the individual over-against government. That’s why they wanted to limit GOVERNMENT, not individual rights. Today, conservatives (as distinct from Republicans) are most inclined to champion those values – though not perfectly. But among Republicans are also progressives like McCain. Progressivism is NOT libertarian, nor is McCain – consider his efforts to regulate campaign contributions as just one example. McCain is a “slow progressive,” compared to Obama’s “fast progressive” temperament.

      The Tea Party movement is nearly on the side of the angels: it’s made up of individuals from both parties, independents, and those who have eschewed party affiliation, all of whom seek smaller government and more individual liberty and personal responsibility. IE, libertarianism/founders’ values.

      The Republican party, if it were to choose Reaganism over McCainism, would be the real home for 18th and 19th century liberalism.

  5. Tom Degan says:

    Here is what I believe Christianity is all about. It was written by a very young (24) woman named Sarah Rachel Thomson, an Alabaman by birth. Her words are light. At the bottom is a link to her blog. Happy reading, folks!

    Tom Degan
    *********

    Monday, February 8, 2010

    thinking day

    When I lost my job almost exactly one year ago, I immediately began looking for work both in Huntsville, Alabama and in Memphis, Tennessee. I came in contact with the Church Health Center in Memphis and signed on to do some volunteer work. I met with directors and editors and took home faith-related books to review. Then I found a job in retail, then a few months later I landed the job I have now. In between I was juggling being a newly married woman and living on my salary alone for the two of us. I had, to say the least, a lot to figure out.

    The books lay neglected in my bookshelves, forgotten and dusty. A few days ago I received an e-mail asking me to bring the books back if I was not going to review them. I mentally calculated the months I had these books in my possession, and then the months of empty promises of reviews I had committed.

    This weekend I opened the first of three books I took home last year, called “Making Poverty Personal” by Ash Barker. I diligently took notes, read carefully, and then found myself skimming through the last third of the book. I tried to explain what lacked in the book to Stephen, and I couldn’t. The message was clear, and good. Everything was oriented in scripture. But…I don’t know. I didn’t jump up and run out the door to DO something.

    Now, because I am a Thomson and my father’s child, I feel I MUST complete this task. But I don’t know where to begin. Perhaps I was the wrong reader for this book. I referenced a number of my own books, from the desert abbas to Joachim Jeremias. As the day dragged on, I found other things to occupy my time, rather than writing. The challenge is, how do I make this message and call relevant, interesting, and motivational?

    I think for me, this task is less about saying whether a book is good or not and more about providing some sort of hope. Stephen and I live below the poverty line, intentionally, but we are not poor in spirit, and we have the kind of life that is full and happy. But many are not so fortunate. The poor and impoverished in spirit have been a central theme in Christian teachings since the ministry of Jesus, yet it is so easily ignored. We tend to think as Americans that poverty exists in slums in third world countries, or on commercials advertising sponsorship for African children.

    As we see our own American economy decline, and as it is sure to only get worse in the coming years, more Americans that never thought about “being poor” are now dealing with the very realities that come with loss of income. Those who exist solely in their belongings have identity crises because their self-worth cannot be tied to what they own. What will their friends think? What will their children, their parents say? Poverty, as it seems, is not just a bank account–it is indeed a state of mind.

    For those who are wrapped up in what they own, in the “right” lifestyle, in the “right” stuff, Jesus’ message may fall a little flat. The attitude is off. They are self-suffering, martyrs to their own god of money. But for the downtrodden, the working man and woman, the child on free lunch, the mother working two and three jobs to pay bills, Jesus’ message is a ray of light and hope. A day of judgment will come. God is both mighty and merciful, and He is not blind to the injustice that happens in this country and around the world. Greed will be punished. Those who take so others may not have will be judged on the day of reckoning. Jesus came with a sword to judge the quick and the dead.

    So where are we in all of this? What is, in fact, our call?

    We look after the least of these. Whatever our talent, we use that to the greater glory of God’s will. We feed people, we clothe them, we house them, we educate their children with the best resources. We elect officials who will care for those who have no voice. We will sacrifice so that all of God’s children can live a life of peace, happiness, and light. We will look around us, at the things we do not need, at the wealth we have amassed, and we will strive for something Higher, Greater, more heavenly. We will give our riches to the poor, and we will, yes, we will, take up that cross and march to Higher Ground.

    In the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost, Amen.

    http://www.liedownandsleep.blogspot.com

    Sarah Rachel Thomson

    • tbascom says:

      Hey, Tom: I do agree that Americans have a materialistic streak, and that it runs contrary to a deep theme in Christianity. It’s the very thing that drove my father overseas after WWII, and caused us, his 5 children, to be born outside the country. In turn, that gave us the opportunity to see the world, and to form notions of justice anchored in the experience of people other than North Americans – or Westerners, for that matter.

      However, the Bible – including Jesus and the prophets – is not against wealth. It is against wealth acquired unjustly. Modern leftist politics, and the versions of left-leaning Christianity informed by it, assume that large inequalities must be the result of unjust practices. That is, if one person is able to earn significantly more than another, it must be that the first is taking unjustly from the second.

      I do not think that is true. Some people are just better at coining money than others. Some people find their “pursuit of happiness” is linked more to material possessions than does, say, Sarah, who chooses to live below the poverty line. For her that is the way to “happiness.” I don’t begrudge her that choice; I think she should not begrudge say, Rush Limbaugh, for earning $400 million in 5 years if that is what brings him his notion of “happiness.” (Though I think Rush would do what he’s doing for a whole lot less, because it is the work he does that fills him; I think in his case the money is just confirmation and icing on a cake he’s happy to eat even without so much icing.)

      On the other hand, Bernie Madoff is an examplor of unjustly taking from others. His heavenly judgement is one I would not care to share. The difference between Rush and Bernie is the difference between justice and injustice.

      Notice, however, that in Jesus’ story of the landowner who hires one man at sunup for a day’s labor, then hires another man at noon to fill out the day at the same rate, and a third man when the afternoon is half gone, also at the same daily wage – Jesus says there is no injustice. Each man accepts the wage offered; each man has his relationship directly and individually with the master, and the master’s arrangement with any other person working in his vineyard is not anyone’s business but the person so engaged.

      Of course that’s a spiritual analogy; but it is an analogy by way of a common commercial transaction, and had its power precisely because it is “not fair” by human, worldly standards. Jesus not only points to the unmerited grace of God who gives the same measure of salvation to the late-comer as to the early adopter, but also to the worldly fact that the arrangement I make in my worldly affairs is none of your business as long as I am not taking you down to get myself what I want; nor am I to compare myself to you as though it is unfair that you get as much in two hours as I get for 12 hours labor.

      The fact is that people like Sarah can live below the poverty line and still get the basic food, shelter, and healthcare that she needs because you and I are working significantly above the poverty line and paying into a common fund to make sure she gets at least the basics. If anyone is living off the sweat of another, Sarah is living off of my sweat and yours.

      Scripture calls us to earn our daily bread and more, so that we have something to give to the poor and needy, who we will always have with us (James). To do less than earn more and to share that with the needy is to shirk our Christian calling – something for Sarah to think about. There is no need to artifically create poverty for oneself when so many truly needy people exist.

      Nor is she leaving more for the poor by not making more herself. Economics is not a pie with only so much dough in it. The U.S. is wealthy not because we have appropriated more of the world’s resources, but because we make more from the resources we have. How? Historically, by liberating individuals to be entrepreneurial. It was not at all unusual for early Americans to be farmers and small merchants or builders-for-sale at the same time. By 1820, virtually every rural farm family also made something – a textile, a valued implement, something – that could be sold for ready cash. The government neither appropriated the wealth and resources of the country, nor limited production. As a consequence, we became an industrial and commercial powerhouse in a very short period of time. We literally created new wealth out of thin air and the resources we found at hand around our homesteads and neighborhoods.

      Most of the rest of the world has not allowed that kind of unfettered entrepreneurial endeavor. Generally, governments like to control wealth, resources, and industry. They either believe they can more-equitably care for the whole by doing so; or they nakedly assert their right to hog the bulk of the wealth and profit from the heavily-regulated work of their subjects.

      Such control does not lead to better lifestyles for the underpriviledged, but to the reduction of the wealthy, and more uniform poverty (except, of course, for the ruling class). Liberating average people for economic activity – as in China today – results in rapidly-rising standards of living for everyone, even if unevenly distributed, and creates enormous national wealth – again, as China has demonstrated over the last 20 years.

      If Sarah – and you – want to pursue the welfare of the masses, you should both make as much as you can, in order to voluntarily give away as much as you can (a persistent habit of the American people, by the way – being very generous to others in times of genuine need), and agitate for more free enterprise at home and abroad, which necessarily means advocating for less-intrusive government and less-onerous taxation.

      We Christians need to elect officials who will get government off the people’s backs. Our enforced sacrificing for the good of others will lead to shared misery and less dough in a shrinking pie. That has always been the case; it will not change because some of us have utopian notions of human character or naive notions about the wisdom of governors.

      Sarah has no riches to give to the poor. What she means when she says “we” will give “our” riches to the poor is that she thinks my bank account is hers to dispose of as she believes is good. In other words, she wants to steal my “happiness” as much as Bernie Maddof stole his clients’ “happiness.” There is no difference in behavior, even though she thinks her cause is “heavenly.” Scripture doesn’t care what your justification is, getting money by taking it from others who have honestly earned it is evil.

      Sarah has no intention of giving her wealth, voluntarily or otherwise, to those in need. She intends to take mine and give it where she thinks is good. And to do so with absolutely no idea – or interest in discovering – what I already do with my money. She thinks that because she chooses to live off of my largesse that she is a better Christian than am I, who work hard to earn more than she does. She thinks that because she chooses to have less in material goods, I should too; and if I disagree, she will coerce me to “volunteer” my goods, and force me to “strive for something Higher, Greater, more heavenly.” That is, to be poor, like her.

      By the way: Scripture only ever asks for a tithe for the work of building God’s kingdom. That’s 10%. Sarah thinks she should have sway over all of my money.

      Scripture encourages those who farm to leave the edges ungleaned for the poor to glean. Notice that requires effort for return, even on the part of the poor. Notice, too, that it is voluntary, not coerced. If I give 10% to my church, another 10% to my government, and make periodic contributions to causes I care about – God says I have more than done my duty, and I have a right to enjoy what remains to me. Who are you and Sarah to say something other than what God says?

      • Clint says:

        God you are LONG WINDED!!!!! WHO DIED and put your MOUTH in charge??????? :o:

        • NEPAConservative says:

          Good one Clint, maybe next time you can add something to the conversation. Typical Lib.

        • tbascom says:

          Sorry. I realize some people only think in sound-bites, Clint. But real life requires more thought. Come back when you’re ready to engage in ideas, not merely slogans…

          BTW: being a potty-mouth is a poor substitute for reasoned discourse. But having a potty-heart is worse, and for that reason we’ve elected to not post your other two world-class observations.




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